Should Obamacare Waive Morning After Pill Mandate on Companies Founded on Religion?

A federal judge rejected the business' request to block the mandate to provide morning-after and week-after birth control pills. Is this an assault on religious liberty?

A federal judge has ruled against Hobby Lobby, a Christian-owned company that describes itself as a "biblically founded business" in its attempt to apply for exclusion in one of the Obamacare mandates. Hobby Lobby believes that the "use of the morning-after and week-after birth control pills are tantamount to abortion because they prevent a fertilized egg from implanting in a woman's womb," CBS.com reports. This is the largest corporation to file suit against the mandate. It has, however, been denied.

Churches and religious institutions and corporations have been given a reprieve from these particular mandates, but not businesses. A government attorney said that the drugs "do not cause abortions," and that the U.S. "has a compelling interest in mandating insurance coverage for them."

The Green family who founded Hobby Lobby face a $1.3 million daily fine, beginning Jan. 1, if they ignore the law. It is reported that they plan to appeal.

Should businesses founded on religious principles also be required to comply with this mandate or, like churches and religious organizations, should exclusions apply in such cases?

Good Grief Y'all January 09, 2013 at 05:31 PM
Still very vulgar, Racer. Try again. Maybe your wife can help you.
Grant January 09, 2013 at 05:33 PM
Absurd Hal? Absured is the notion that some religious freak be allowed to dictate to an insurance company what medical procedures they should cover foir his employees based on his favorite invisible man. Let's take it to the next logical step. Suppose this idiot decides cancer is God's way of punishing the wicked and believes that people stricken with the disease should just curl up and die because it's God's will? Nope, the law states that if you employ X people you provide access to insurance. The Constitution states that "congress shall make no law establishing religion" . If the government gives an idiot a pass based on his bugnutty superstitions they are indeed "establishing religion" You are right , it is simple and as the appeal will go the way the original case did
Good Grief Y'all January 09, 2013 at 05:35 PM
Planned Parenthood is not so readily available in many areas, and Republicans in local, state and federal governments are trying to "shut that whole thing down" as we speak.
Hal Schneider January 09, 2013 at 05:37 PM
Yes, Grant absurd! I've already answered your other stupid question. If you are not happy with the BENEFITS offered by your employer, find an employer who gives you the benefits you want. The government has no right to dictate company benefits. I like the way you completely ignore the analogy with dental and eye wear coverage!
r patton January 09, 2013 at 05:45 PM
Where do you get your facts? State people, documents etc.
Hal Schneider January 09, 2013 at 05:46 PM
No doubt you were among the rest of us who were outraged by the murder of 20 innocent children in New Town, CT, and undoubtedly are supporting gun control to "prevent" future tragedies, while at the same time Planned Parenthood murdered over 300,000 innocent children last year, and you are screaming about efforts to put them out of business! Unbelievable!
Grant January 09, 2013 at 06:10 PM
Gee Hal.. A couple of points ...First vision correction and dental are not included in the healthcare law (that BTW was originally penned by the republicans) , hence your mention of them was irrelevant and thus ignored. Secondly your suggestion that employees who dont wish to be subjected to the superstitions of their employers is already well covered in existing law so , my scenario is far from "stupid" it's a perfect example of why Hobby Lobby will lose their court case Have a nice day
Racer X January 09, 2013 at 06:40 PM
Grant- I guess where our logic parts ways is the definition of individual responsibility.. I have paid for my own health insurance for 35 years. I make life choices based on being able to afford to do so, like taking care of myself so my rates stay low. This includes not accidentally knocking anyone up. Obamacare stunts the need for people to be responsible for their personal choices, just like most government programs.
Good Grief Y'all January 09, 2013 at 08:26 PM
Google it rp. It's really easy. @Hal - Outraged about CT, yes. Supporting gun control, yes. You're the one who cited Planned Parenthood as an easy option for morning after pills. Screaming? When and where, Hal? I think it is you who is screaming with all those !!! and caps. Is ED a disease? Insurance coverage for Viagra and Cialis - check. Pregnancy is a medical condition that can bring on other health issues. It's discriminatory to exclude women's specific health needs from a comprehensive medical insurance plan offered by any employer. If men could become pregnant there would be no controversy over this issue. There's something very wrong with people who value an unborn fetus more than babies after they're born.
Hal Schneider January 09, 2013 at 08:58 PM
Good Grief, I'd a broken arm a disease? Another stupid argument. ED is an abnormal condition that requires medical treatment to CORRECT. Pregnancy is s normal biological process that does not require "correction" except by those who have no respect for life and place their own selfish desires and lifestyle choices above the value of the human being they have been given custody of. If men could get pregnant my position would not change one iota.
Good Grief Y'all January 09, 2013 at 09:19 PM
A broken arm obviously needs correction, and if not would lead to other maladies. ED in many cases is a natural part of aging, so not always abnormal. If ED meds are covered, all forms of contraceptives should be as well. I can't help it if stupid lives in your brain over this comparison. Ask an OB/Gyn about the many health complications and diseases (diabetes, hypertension) which can occur with pregnancy. Not all pregnancies are normal - tubal pregnancy is very dangerous to the mother and threatens her life and health. Pregnancy can occur even when precautions are taken. Male pregnancy may not change your mind, but you can't speak for the rest. It's a moot point except to point out the disparity.
John B January 09, 2013 at 09:44 PM
Now she's an expert on ED...if you ask your husband he'll give you a good answer for his ED...nothing to do with aging....
Good Grief Y'all January 09, 2013 at 10:17 PM
You're just a creepy stalker, John B. Dirty minded old fool.
Racer X January 09, 2013 at 10:30 PM
John B.- GGY said I mentioned something about genitalia to her once but I have no memory of it. There was this particularly ED inspiring poster once on Patch that went by "Georgia Democrat" who I accused of keeping her husbands nuts in her purse. Do you think GD and GGY are one in the same? It would explain a lot.
John B January 09, 2013 at 10:56 PM
Very much the same. Both don't like to get called out or challenged for their nonsense...GD disappeared once she found out her identity was compromised..if not the same...from the same mold.
John B January 09, 2013 at 10:58 PM
Not a stalker GGY...if I were I wouldn't be stalking you. Anything else you would like to proctor the group on today?....or is your google button worn out?
Good Grief Y'all January 09, 2013 at 11:35 PM
Racer, I said you speak of genitalia in your posts, not that you directed such comments at me. Just recently you colored up your comment to someone else in that manner. Hasn't been that long ago, so I'm sure you can find it. Maybe you're unaware of it, maybe you think it's macho, but it is offensive. I have only been posting since the end of Oct., and only then because of the ridiculous stuff put out by some of your types. Does that help? If you said such as that to anyone you should have been banned by PATCH. That's disgusting.
Good Grief Y'all January 09, 2013 at 11:39 PM
You are a stalker, John B, and a creepy vile one at that. You single me out to post an insult nearly every time I write a comment and the subject doesn't even matter to you. You're a nasty man. You don't even have the decency to comment on whatever the topic is. You just blatantly harass me. I really don't understand why PATCH lets your comments stand.
Good Grief Y'all January 09, 2013 at 11:44 PM
Who would you be, Racer X? What's your real name? I don't blame you for using a moniker, though. You probably would shame your mother and children. You're just as disgusting as John B, but at least you make some topic-related comments. The problem with you two is you're facing the rare female who stands up to your nonsense on a public forum.
John B January 09, 2013 at 11:47 PM
GGY...certainly you don't begrudge me of my freedom of expression do you? You wrote in this thread you started posting here in October because those who oppose your views are idiots.....in so many words...correct? For the most part all of your posts support your reason for being here...so I call you out and you go into melt down mode. If I'm so "irrelevant" as you have stated so many times...why do you continue to respond to my posts? I'm guessing your just a bit insecure in your skin.
Good Grief Y'all January 09, 2013 at 11:48 PM
I never mind being challenged by someone who does so with substance and just the tiniest bit of decency. I rather enjoy it or wouldn't waste my time. There are very few posters on these threads who are truly intelligent enough and with proper manners who don't embarrass themselves and anyone reading these comments. You and Racer need to grow up and go away until you do.
Good Grief Y'all January 09, 2013 at 11:53 PM
Hey, PATCH STAFF - we need a little moderating on this thread. Also, believe it or not! - the one titled, "Which words would you like to see retired in 2013?" I don't understand why these two are allowed to harass another participant, especially in the vulgar way they do.
John B January 09, 2013 at 11:56 PM
and true to form...when challenged she wants to call foul and look for intervention...no one is harassing you GGY....pathetic........
Good Grief Y'all January 10, 2013 at 12:07 AM
No, that is not correct. I didn't say anything about idiots - your word. I said, as you full well know, "I have only been posting since the end of Oct., and only then because of the ridiculous stuff put out by some of your types." I got a bit tired of reading the trashing being done, so I decided to participate because there weren't that many others with my views posting. Some of that vitriol needed to be countered. I have no problem with your freedom of expression until it only serves to insult and harass me. You don't write anything otherwise. I haven't noticed you engaging other posters (except Racer man b/c he's on your tag team) - when do you do that? That's the problem I have. Which is it? You say I'm too confident, then you say I'm insecure. You can't keep up with your own insults. I have no problem with giving you as good as you send or debating you on views as long as you're being relevant to the discussion, but I resent the highly vulgar words and tone you use too often. You don't call me out - you call out at me with vulgarity and inappropriate comments. Big, big difference. Also, you're in violation of PATCH rules for attacking another poster - Racer, too.
John B January 10, 2013 at 12:19 AM
the ridiculous stuff put out by some of your types...hmmm...now how would I intepret that as "idiots." Your agenda is clear and you are transparent. You're not that smart GGY......
Good Grief Y'all January 10, 2013 at 12:27 AM
Because you twist words to suit your "agenda". I suspect you must think I'm smart. That's why you have a problem with me. You must like your own womenfolk to be dumb as rocks, or at least act like it.
Good Grief Y'all January 10, 2013 at 12:28 AM
You are foul. If you don't think so, you have no worries, do you? It's my right to complain and bring this to the PATCH STAFF attention. I have let it go on too long and get too out of hand. You two don't stop. You only get worse. It's time.
John B January 10, 2013 at 12:31 AM
only one person name calling...can you guess who? Good night GGY...you're boring and I would rather do something more value added like brush my dogs teeth...
John B January 10, 2013 at 12:34 AM
no...really...I don't think you're smart at all...you would be lost without your google button....now good night...and you can have the last word...I know you won't be able to sleep tonight without it....womenfolk...lol..what a tool...
Amy January 10, 2013 at 04:11 AM
So, what happened with this? Was Hobby Lobby fined $1mil a day? Did the boycott work?


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